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| DustyG wrote: | | I can't say that this makes me unhappy. It isn't like JP has the strongest arm in the world. I would think that the majority of our play calling would involve dink and dunk passes to try to lure the secondary in close and then try to pop a big one down field. I would also expect to see more flare type passes to backs out of the backfield behind a Julio fly route, provided that our backs can catch of course. |
Weak arms are most likely to be exposed on short patterns. If a long one floats, a short one will float too. Remember the Mississippi State game? Ugh.
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| TerryP wrote: | | Personally, the infatuation with Star is misplaced this early as I see it. Bring it into the conversation at the end of the '09 season and then it might be worth discussing. |
I totally agree with that. In fact the only reason I'd like to see Star challenge is if John Parker struggles again this year. I'd prefer JPW take care of business and never have to worry about competition or a back-up.
I have no infatuation with Star. In fact I can't stand all that pre-college hype. It has blown up in our face almost every time when looking at hot-shot QB recruits that come to Alabama. Lately our only success stories at QB have come in the form of hard workers with no glitz and glamor.
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| BamaDelta wrote: | | TerryP wrote: | | Personally, the infatuation with Star is misplaced this early as I see it. Bring it into the conversation at the end of the '09 season and then it might be worth discussing. |
I totally agree with that. In fact the only reason I'd like to see Star challenge is if John Parker struggles again this year. I'd prefer JPW take care of business and never have to worry about competition or a back-up.
I have no infatuation with Star. In fact I can't stand all that pre-college hype. It has blown up in our face almost every time when looking at hot-shot QB recruits that come to Alabama. Lately our only success stories at QB have come in the form of hard workers with no glitz and glamor. |
And a few cases where that didn't even fit the bill...
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| I thought JP played fairly well in 06. Which gave me high hopes for him in 07. But 07 shocked me pretty bad. It seemed like once he got the snap, he was under preasure. He played well against ARK, and murdered TENN. I just couldn't figure it out. I wanted to say it was the OL, which some of the time it was. But I couldn't figure out a reason for overthrowing receivers when he wasn't under any preasure and the receiver was wide open. But being his last year, you can't help but have faith in him. I've seen him put up big numbers. I think with the slack in the OL being gone, maybe he'll have more faith in the protection and relax and make good plays. And I've seen Fresno States's stats from last year. Awesome. Maybe the OC change will improve JP. It's all up to him. And what happened to an aggresive Alabama team that we used to see?
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| bamaupsman wrote: |
Weak arms are most likely to be exposed on short patterns. If a long one floats, a short one will float too. Remember the Mississippi State game? Ugh. |
I agree thaat any QB who throws off of his back foot while falling is going to float the ball anywhere he throws it. JPW has shown that he can hit short to intermediate routes when he has time. I haven't seen a lot of him hitting long passes, even with time, without the receiver having to wait on the ball to get there. That indicates to me either a lack of arm strenght or an inability to understand the timing of the route. I believe that in JPW's case, it is the former and not the latter.
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| DustyG wrote: | | bamaupsman wrote: |
Weak arms are most likely to be exposed on short patterns. If a long one floats, a short one will float too. Remember the Mississippi State game? Ugh. |
I agree thaat any QB who throws off of his back foot while falling is going to float the ball anywhere he throws it. JPW has shown that he can hit short to intermediate routes when he has time. I haven't seen a lot of him hitting long passes, even with time, without the receiver having to wait on the ball to get there. That indicates to me either a lack of arm strenght or an inability to understand the timing of the route. I believe that in JPW's case, it is the former and not the latter. |
You've hit part of it with his footwork. While I agree he doesn't have the arm strength Brodie had (IE: quick release) placing the blame for underthrown balls falls more in the timing category the way I see it. There was a reason why JP and DJ did so well last season and that was the experience they had together. He hasn't had the opportunity to work with the other guys as much. We would have likely seen better numbers from JP if Keith Brown would have been on the field more but that falls on KB.
Keep in mind, he just as many over thrown balls as he did under thrown balls. Applewhite did have calls that were for JP to throw to a spot and let the receivers run under the ball as well.
One phrase often used is the OL "gelling" together as the work more and more with each other. You can include the offensive backfield with that as well. Having over 3/4th's of our games with different guys on the OL hurt in a lot of different ways.
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