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Tenn had a defense that didnt allow a point all year. 
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| Lenny Kozlowski wrote: | | Tenn had a defense that didnt allow a point all year. |
Lenny, you have barely made a point since you have been a member here. Ut has nothing on you.
Welcome to the newst members! Good info in this post.
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| bamafan4ever wrote: | | Lenny Kozlowski wrote: | | Tenn had a defense that didnt allow a point all year. |
Lenny, you have barely made a point since you have been a member here. Ut has nothing on you.
Welcome to the newst members! Good info in this post. |
I just made one. 
Go back to getting your arse handed to you in the politcal forum 
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| Lenny Kozlowski wrote: | | bamafan4ever wrote: | | Lenny Kozlowski wrote: | | Tenn had a defense that didnt allow a point all year. |
Lenny, you have barely made a point since you have been a member here. Ut has nothing on you.
Welcome to the newst members! Good info in this post. |
I just made one.
Go back to getting your arse handed to you in the politcal forum |
I see I am talking to an Englishman, funny that you know so much about American football. But wait, you don't know as much as you imagine that you do.
The 1939 Tennessee team that you are referencing didn't play any high quality competition all year and when they finally did, they lost.
The best team that Tenn. played during the regular season was a 6-2-1 Kentucky team, so, that tells a lot.
'Bama, on the other hand, played an 8-3 Arkansas and a 7-4 Ga. Tech and they beat a 6-4 Tennessee team by a margin of 34-3.
Also, 'Bama didn't lose a game during the regular season and they had enough fortitude to beat a very powerful team in their bowl game, that being Arkansas that was mentioned above.
Tennessee, on the other hand, was shut out 14-0 by Southern Cal in their bowl game.
You don't get to have the title of best defense to ever exist bestowed on one of your teams if they lose a game, Vol.
As originally stated, Alabama has the best defense to eveer exist on paper in the history of college football.
Learn something, be wiser.
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| CtrlAltieDel wrote: | | Lenny Kozlowski wrote: | | bamafan4ever wrote: | | Lenny Kozlowski wrote: | | Tenn had a defense that didnt allow a point all year. |
Lenny, you have barely made a point since you have been a member here. Ut has nothing on you.
Welcome to the newst members! Good info in this post. |
I just made one.
Go back to getting your arse handed to you in the politcal forum |
I see I am talking to an Englishman, funny that you know so much about American football. But wait, you don't know as much as you imagine that you do.
While you were having your tea and crumpets, guvnah, you and your old chaps probably overlooked all of this:
The 1939 Tennessee team that you are referencing didn't play any high quality competition all year and when they finally did, they lost.
The best team that Tenn. played during the regular season was a 6-2-1 Kentucky team, so, that tells a lot.
'Bama, on the other hand, played an 8-3 Arkansas and a 7-4 Ga. Tech and they beat a 6-4 Tennessee team by a margin of 34-3.
Also, 'Bama didn't lose a game during the regular season and they had enough fortitude to beat a very powerful team in their bowl game, that being Arkansas that was mentioned above.
Tennessee, on the other hand, was shut out 14-0 by Southern Cal in their bowl game.
You don't get to have the title of best defense to ever exist bestowed on one of your teams if they lose a game, Vol. Not only that, but have 14 points scored on you in one game? Not very good.
As originally stated, Alabama has the best defense to ever exist, on paper, in the history of college football.
The '92 'Bama defense was quite possibly the best defense to ever play the game of college football, but they didn't fare quite as well statistically as the '61 D did.
God Save the Queen. |
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| CtrlAltieDel wrote: | | Lenny Kozlowski wrote: | | bamafan4ever wrote: | | Lenny Kozlowski wrote: | | Tenn had a defense that didnt allow a point all year. |
Lenny, you have barely made a point since you have been a member here. Ut has nothing on you.
Welcome to the newst members! Good info in this post. |
I just made one.
Go back to getting your arse handed to you in the politcal forum |
I see I am talking to an Englishman, funny that you know so much about American football. But wait, you don't know as much as you imagine that you do.
The 1939 Tennessee team that you are referencing didn't play any high quality competition all year and when they finally did, they lost.
The best team that Tenn. played during the regular season was a 6-2-1 Kentucky team, so, that tells a lot.
'Bama, on the other hand, played an 8-3 Arkansas and a 7-4 Ga. Tech and they beat a 6-4 Tennessee team by a margin of 34-3.
Also, 'Bama didn't lose a game during the regular season and they had enough fortitude to beat a very powerful team in their bowl game, that being Arkansas that was mentioned above.
Tennessee, on the other hand, was shut out 14-0 by Southern Cal in their bowl game.
You don't get to have the title of best defense to ever exist bestowed on one of your teams if they lose a game, Vol.
As originally stated, Alabama has the best defense to eveer exist on paper in the history of college football.
Learn something, be wiser. |
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| LBS wrote: | There are other points that can not be quantified into a statistic driven ranking as well.
--It was the Crimson Tide of Alabama that burst through the bias that Southern schools played inferior football. Remember the Rose Bowl...
--It was Coach Bryant who strengthened integration in a head-strong segregated era by orchestrating Sam "the Bam" Cunningham's playing in the largest arena in the state. There was no going back after that.
Miami of Ohio enjoys being called :the cradle of Coaching", but I would bet the list of coaches that got their start at Alabama would put Miami's to shame. (If someone has a link to back me up on this, post it please.)
Most recently, it was Alabama that introduced the concept of a Spring Game being a huge event worthy of sell out crowds and national media attention.
And finally, only Alabama can turn a low-functioning, handicapped, young man from a single parent home into a star -- Forest Gump My point is that Hollywood has focused on this one team from little ol' Tuscaloosa more than one would think they would. We are not locatedjust down the road from Hollywood like USC, and don't have the support of Rome like the Pope. We are the underdog from small town west-Alabama. |
Great post, LBS.
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So the fact that Bama allowed a mere 25 points all year and Tenn allowed a huge 14 all year......
and Tenn played a weak scheldule consisting of of 6-2-1 UK.. Bama played a scheldule consisting of 8-3, 7-4, and 6-4 teams. Those are solid points if youre trying to make the case for Tenn.
Im not a VOL or Englishman either (im a homegrown Alabamian .....I can however look at things from a proper perspective.
I wasnt alive for either of these teams and could really care less but your points certainly have done nothing to convince me.
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| Lenny Kozlowski wrote: | So the fact that Bama allowed a mere 25 points all year and Tenn allowed a huge 14 all year......
No, Tennessee lost, they lost a game. Didn't you read that in the previous post? Add the other things up with the fact that they "lost" and Tennessee falls short.
Losing doesn't make a defense better, it makes them losers.
Actually, just losing the game to USC would be enough to preclude them from consideration, you know, because they LOST. Their defense allowed them to get beat, that is not the best they could have done.
and Tenn played a weak scheldule consisting of of 6-2-1 UK.. Bama played a scheldule consisting of 8-3, 7-4, and 6-4 teams. Those are solid points if youre trying to make the case for Tenn.
How so? Bama played a better Arkansas team, or at least equal in skill to USC, and WON the game. Won is the key word. Tennessee lost, lost being the key word, to USC.
'Bama played 2 teams during the regular season roughly equal in win loss records to the one team that Tennessee played during the regular season of equal talent.
2 to 1. 2 is better than one. Just as winning is better than losing. See the pattern?
Im not a VOL or Englishman either (im a homegrown Alabamian .....I can however look at things from a proper perspective.
I wasnt alive for either of these teams and could really care less but your points certainly have done nothing to convince me. |
You just don't want to be convinced. If you feel that a defense that allows their team to lose is better than one that doesn't, go for it.
I can't make you change your mind, but I have hopefully given you something to think about.
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So if your offense gives up points and you lose....your defense sucks
gotta it
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winning only would equal the greatest team.
The greatest defense would only emcompass the Defense.
According to your criteria a team that lost while NEVER (theoretically speaking) giving up a single point defensively.... wouldn't even qualify as a candidate
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| Lenny Kozlowski wrote: | So if your offense gives up points and you lose....your defense sucks
gotta it |
You don't seem to be making logical sense. I never said that Tennessee's defense in '39 sucked, clearly they didn't. You are the only one who has made that erroneous assumption.
I do say, as does anyone that has ever studied the game of college football or can read stats and actually comprehend them, that Alabama's defense in '61 was better, on paper.
Now, you can philosophize and wax nostalgic and claim that Tennessee's defense back then was the best to ever walk a field, but statistically, 'Bama's was better.
Since neither you or I have knowledge of the '39 team, what is on paper is what we have to go on, correct?
Tennessee's defense lost a game, don't you understand how that hurts their statistical average?
You came popping into the thread rattling on about how Tennessee's defense was better than 'Bama's. You were pretty rude to another poster and your arrogant attitude was in relation to Tennessee's defense being better than 'Bama's.
I have proven to anyone that is being honest that 'Bama's D was better on paper, what I stated in my original post, what you were disputing, and now you seem like you want to cry about it.
I don't understand.
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Dude you haven't proven anything other than your opinion (which youre entitled too)
I never claimed that Tenn defense was better either. I simply stated they didnt allow a point ( i thought it was the entire year...turns out it was regular season)
Winning games= greatest teams
Defense is a completely different category altogether
Again if a team loses 1 or 3 (or more) games 14-0, 7-0,abd 2-0 yet the defense never allowed a point??????? You claim this hurts the defense? Makes zero sense
I was only rude to another poster after he fired down on me.
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| Lenny Kozlowski wrote: | winning only would equal the greatest team.
The greatest defense would only emcompass the Defense.
According to your criteria a team that lost while NEVER (theoretically speaking) giving up a single point defensively.... wouldn't even qualify as a candidate |
Are you high? How does a team lose when the defense doesn't allow a point to be scored?
The defense of the '39 Tenn. team allowed 14 points to be scored on them and that lost the game for them.
To hell with the offense of 'Bama and to hell with the offense of Tennessee. 'Bama's defense did not lose a game.
Because Tennessee's offense could not win the game against So. Cal, that does not give a free pass to the defense to lose the game.
It could have been a tie, a 0-0 tie. Many a game ended that way back in those days. But, on that particular day and during that particular year, Tennessee's defense did not measure up and it blew their streak all to crap.
You can see that, can't you? It ruined their chance to be considered for the best defense to ever be formed.
I think you might be one of those people that never admit their fallacy even when they know they are wrong. To admit you were incorrect would be akin to admitting you are less than or inadequate, even though it would mean nothing of the sort, but you think it would equate to that.
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