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 Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 10:28 am Post subject: For the Gottfried haters |
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I found this quote very interesting from assistant AD Dave Hart:
| Quote: | He hopes for more success in non-revenue sports and will have oversight over basketball in a crucial season for coach Mark Gottfried.
"Every program should excel," Hart said. Moore "has given coaches facilities and resources and when coaches have (that), you should expect excellence. You put the right coach in the right position, it is amazing what can happen."
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Take it for what it's worth but to me, that seems like an ultimatum for this year.
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From that comment, I read that Moore is bringing in Hart to do the difficult job of holding coaches accountable and for Hart to be the 'bad cop' in firing those who underperform.
I thought establishing standards and holding people accountable to those standards was the job of the top man - not his understudy.
Hart has a very, very poor reputation with a personal friend of mine who is very much in charge of a successful athletic department in the SEC. Hart is NOT a good hire for us.
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| Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 10:46 am Post subject: |
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it does gator seem by that comment that Hart doesn't make too many friends 
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Whether you are a CMG hater or not (I am not) it is not hard to figure out that this is a pivotal year for our basketball program. In 2006-7 we had to deal with no experience off the bench and our All American PG going down with a bad knee; in 2007-8 he was not available and the replacements just didn't get the job done. For the upcoming season RS will apparently be close to 100%. My pal who has seen him playing pick up games around B'ham says he is at least 95% now. In addition we have a juco point guard for back up, who should be able to provide enough minutes to keep RS from being worn down. We also have two returning starters besides RS and five players with significant PT in the heat of battle. When you also consider an excellent recruiting class coming in, we will have an excellent blend of talent, experience and depth.
Barring some catstrophe a lot will be expected of our team this season, justifiably so. If the season doesn't work out to at least national top 20 status, hard questions need to be asked and perhaps a tough decision needs to be made.
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i am not a CMG hater.
but here it is he runs the High Post or his version of it and by multiple accounts its the wrong version.
His teams do not play consistent D escecially on the perimeter .
His recruiting is somewhat overrated the good ones leave early and others don't reach there potential.
thats just an overview
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| alagator wrote: | From that comment, I read that Moore is bringing in Hart to do the difficult job of holding coaches accountable and for Hart to be the 'bad cop' in firing those who underperform.
I thought establishing standards and holding people accountable to those standards was the job of the top man - not his understudy.
Hart has a very, very poor reputation with a personal friend of mine who is very much in charge of a successful athletic department in the SEC. Hart is NOT a good hire for us. |
Yet, Hart has a very good reputation with those around our program...and that is what matters.
We disagree on his hire. I see it as a solid move.
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| TerryP wrote: | Yet, Hart has a very good reputation with those around our program...and that is what matters.
We disagree on his hire. I see it as a solid move. |
Given the way 'those around our program' have run our program the last decade-plus, and the paltry on-the-field results produced during that span, then I am not sure their comfort with Hart is encouraging news.
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| Gator bringing it strong as usual
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| alagator wrote: | | TerryP wrote: | Yet, Hart has a very good reputation with those around our program...and that is what matters.
We disagree on his hire. I see it as a solid move. |
Given the way 'those around our program' have run our program the last decade-plus, and the paltry on-the-field results produced during that span, then I am not sure their comfort with Hart is encouraging news. |
Specifically, Witt, Moore, Almond, Dever, Ward, Walker, Turnipseed, Murphy, Patterson, Allen and most importantly Saban.
Out of those, just off the top of my head, where do you see less than positive results. Much like the thread's subject, Hart will have a more hands on approach to the Ath. programs allowing Moore to spend more time in the fund-raising role.
The best moves in the Ath. Dept. have been made over the last year with sending Johnny Williams on his way, and other administrative moves.
Now, I understand your friend may not like him, but the relationship between your friend has no bearing on Hart and UA.
It's worth noting he's well respected in the SEC offices as well.
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| Not trying to derail the Hart conversation, but what would be considered a successful season for CMG? A regular season SEC Championship? Or would it take a Final Four appearance?
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| Tider27 wrote: | | Not trying to derail the Hart conversation, but what would be considered a successful season for CMG? A regular season SEC Championship? Or would it take a Final Four appearance? |
IMO it would be regaining some national stature. I'd say a winning record in the SEC would be an expectation. An NCAA run to at least the sweet 16 would quiet most of the criticism.
Another opinion I have is that if the football team should overachieve a bit this year and say, get a BCS game, a lot of the basketball critics would go back to not paying attention to the sport.
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| psychojoe wrote: | | Tider27 wrote: | | Not trying to derail the Hart conversation, but what would be considered a successful season for CMG? A regular season SEC Championship? Or would it take a Final Four appearance? |
IMO it would be regaining some national stature. I'd say a winning record in the SEC would be an expectation. An NCAA run to at least the sweet 16 would quiet most of the criticism.
Another opinion I have is that if the football team should overachieve a bit this year and say, get a BCS game, a lot of the basketball critics would go back to not paying attention to the sport. |
Those are some realistic expectations with this team IMO. I was actually hoping that it would only take a Sweet 16 or a solid SEC record.
Well let's hope the critics absolutely ignore basketball. 
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Gottfried needs to do some maturing on the sidelines. When bad things happen, he needs to learn to get in someones face and tell them to fight through the adversity and win the battle, not fold on the sidelines with that deer in the headlights look he has had lately. I guess what I am trying to say is that he at least needs to try and look like he knows what he is doing out there. He also needs to quit recruiting these slouchy attitude players that he has been recruiting and get some J.J. Reddicks and Joakim Noahs. Those guys had the right attitude. If he doesn't win the west this year and win 20+ and go to the sweet sixteen, he needs to be let go. Just MHO.
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Gottfried won because he dominated the state in recruiting plain and simple.
Now that Mike Davis is at uab that is changing he is getting his share.
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| mongo4bama wrote: | Gottfried won because he dominated the state in recruiting plain and simple.
Now that Mike Davis is at uab that is changing he is getting his share. |
Mike Davis looks like he is going to have a very nice year. Still, we have not gone head to head with him on anyone that I am aware of. Christian Wattford is the only in state player on our offer list, and UAB is not on his list. UAB got the verbal from Cousins, who is very highly regarded, but we haven't recruited him a year or so. They are in the mix for Eric Bledsoe, while we are not recruiting him. We are looking at Ed Daniel, as are they, but neither school has offered.
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