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| Optimus wrote: | | TerryP wrote: | Geez.
Zero INT's. Zero turnovers on JP, a patch work offensive line, receivers not getting open, running backs missing blocks... |
True TP, but don't forget 0 passing TD's as well, and going 11-23 for 73yds and a 47.8% going 3-11 on 3rd downs is everyone else fault? It's funny to me how the team plays terrible and points the blame at everyone else. Yet, last week all the JPW fan club was on the band wagon. 
They all sucked and if one guy being out of the starting line up on the O line is patch work. Then we have a long season a head of us, it was just a lack of effort on everyone's part on the offensive side the ball. Which some could see as a lack of leadership?
Thankfully, our special teams came to play and our defense. Other then that the offensive players should have stayed after the game and ran sprints!
Fact of the matter it was an ugly win and we should be happy to have it. No matter what! |
2 people were out, not one (Marlon Davis and Andre Smith). 2 of 5 starters out makes a difference. Maybe in the next year or so we'll have enough depth that we can replace 2 starters on our O-line and not miss a beat. We're not there yet.
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| Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 9:14 am Post subject: |
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| We only had two guys that were playing their normal positions by the 2nd quarter; Caldwell at Center and Davis at Right Guard.
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| Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 9:32 am Post subject: |
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| TerryP wrote: | | We only had two guys that were playing their normal positions by the 2nd quarter; Caldwell at Center and Davis at Right Guard. |
Terry...
Football is often, correctly in my opinion, more
"a game of availability instead of ability."
Injuries happen.
If, in only the second game we go from a dominating offensive line to that pathetic performance last night then we are woefully short on 'ability.'
Throughout camp we saw where players were being moved between tackle and guard, between left side and right side. The reasoning, we were told, is to build depth and have our best players know several positions in case something happened. The performance last night, and your rationalization, speaks loudly that that cross-training did not work and/or we have only five, maybe six, OL capable of playing winning ball in Conference USA (much less the SEC).
If player (and team) dedication and commitment are not still an issue and it was just a matter of some players playing out of position, then we had better pray mightedly for 'availability' for the rest of the year.
Frankly, the statistics from the game (I did not see the game, I was in Gainesville) tells me that we saw a repeat of the UL-Monroe game last year, only the kicking game breakdowns by Tulane (punt return for a touchdown, blocked kick for a touchdown, two - or was it three?, missed FGs by Tulane) saved our skin.
Frankly, I am beginning to really think our players just really do think that because they are at Alabama that is enough. It is not required that they actually produce on a consistent level because we will worship them merely because they have on the crimson jersey. Why bust your ass to be glorified when just filling out a roster spot is enough. It appears Saban still has much, much work to do.
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| Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 11:44 am Post subject: |
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| alagator wrote: | | TerryP wrote: | | We only had two guys that were playing their normal positions by the 2nd quarter; Caldwell at Center and Davis at Right Guard. |
Terry...
Football is often, correctly in my opinion, more
"a game of availability instead of ability."
Injuries happen.
If, in only the second game we go from a dominating offensive line to that pathetic performance last night then we are woefully short on 'ability.'
Throughout camp we saw where players were being moved between tackle and guard, between left side and right side. The reasoning, we were told, is to build depth and have our best players know several positions in case something happened. The performance last night, and your rationalization, speaks loudly that that cross-training did not work and/or we have only five, maybe six, OL capable of playing winning ball in Conference USA (much less the SEC).
If player (and team) dedication and commitment are not still an issue and it was just a matter of some players playing out of position, then we had better pray mightedly for 'availability' for the rest of the year.
Frankly, the statistics from the game (I did not see the game, I was in Gainesville) tells me that we saw a repeat of the UL-Monroe game last year, only the kicking game breakdowns by Tulane (punt return for a touchdown, blocked kick for a touchdown, two - or was it three?, missed FGs by Tulane) saved our skin.
Frankly, I am beginning to really think our players just really do think that because they are at Alabama that is enough. It is not required that they actually produce on a consistent level because we will worship them merely because they have on the crimson jersey. Why bust your ass to be glorified when just filling out a roster spot is enough. It appears Saban still has much, much work to do. |
Very well said we have a lot of work ahead of us, but we do have the right man for the job.
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| Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 11:51 am Post subject: |
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| TerryP wrote: | Geez.
Zero INT's. Zero turnovers on JP, a patch work offensive line, receivers not getting open, running backs missing blocks... |
Exactly. JP played with pressure ALL NIGHT. He didn't make any costly decisions and we came out with a victory.
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| Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 2:12 pm Post subject: |
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| TerryP wrote: | Geez.
Zero INT's. Zero turnovers on JP, a patch work offensive line, receivers not getting open, running backs missing blocks... |
Exactly. Not to mention the effect it would have on the chemistry of the offense. JP is our QB until the very end. I don't see a performance like last night continuing for him this season. The patchwork OL was the biggest problem IMO.
I expect everyone to get behind JP next weekend, for the sake of the offense.
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| Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 2:58 pm Post subject: |
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| alagator wrote: | | TerryP wrote: | | We only had two guys that were playing their normal positions by the 2nd quarter; Caldwell at Center and Davis at Right Guard. |
Terry...
Football is often, correctly in my opinion, more
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I don't disagree with that in the least bit.
It's evidenced by two guys seeing playing time that are less than a year removed from playing on the defensive line. Even more so, when our left tackle is out instead of bringing in the #2 guy on the LT position we slid a guard over and bring in a G backup.
On a different note, both Gilbert and Toledo had excellent game plans on both sides of the ball for Tulane. I was very impressed with the job they did.
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| Argo wrote: | | TerryP wrote: | Geez.
Zero INT's. Zero turnovers on JP, a patch work offensive line, receivers not getting open, running backs missing blocks... |
Exactly. JP played with pressure ALL NIGHT. He didn't make any costly decisions and we came out with a victory. |
If Wilson could have completed a few of the passes down the field when he had time and an open receiver (and he did have the opportunity), it would have forced Tulane to back off. They had zero respect for his ability to beat them.
While I don't put all of our offensive struggles on JPW, he didn't do anything to help himself. Like coach Saban said, there were times we missed blocks, and there were times when there were hot reads that he missed.
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First, I understand the point about inconsistent play usually results in getting replaced...IF someone can do better. Granted we didn't even get the chance to see someone else...but we seem to be missing something of prime importance about last nights game...
 We couldn't afford putting somebody else in w/ the possible upside of slightly better execution w/ the possible downside of making bad plays OR turnovers.
No other substitution makes such an impact on ball contral than the QB.
Therefore, to put it simply, the upside doesn't come close or cover the to the downside.
Fact of the matter was the offense was wipped in the most critical area & we were FORTUNATE to walk away w/ a win.
FORTUNATE in every sense of the word, which by the way is a common thread for National Champion teams b/c they all get to have to ball roll there way. NO EXCEPTIONS 
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| JPW did this same thing all year last year. He is either great or really bad!!! When he gets rattled what would it hurt to take him out for a few plays to settle him down talk to him??? This in turn gives McElory some playing time too and a chance for us to see what he can do in a game..
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| Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 10:19 am Post subject: |
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| Bamagirl325 wrote: | | JPW did this same thing all year last year. He is either great or really bad!!! When he gets rattled what would it hurt to take him out for a few plays to settle him down talk to him??? This in turn gives McElory some playing time too and a chance for us to see what he can do in a game.. |
Thanks for making my point, exactly!!!
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Must I remind ya'll that Coach Saban himself said JPW gives us our best chance to win therefore we need to get behind him? I'm as disappointed in the performance as all of you, but that comment from Saban lets me know we have no other option unless an injury occurs. 
I don't know why we have no other option, but those seem to be the facts. It seems most schools have at least one decent back-up. We obviously don't. This leaves me scratching my head.
Saban came in and recruited Fanuzzi - that obviously didn't pan out. The year before Shula recruited McElroy - a top 10-15 QB with a state championship on Texas of all places. That obviously hasn't brought overwhelming results. Then there is also Star. I can't call his development a disappointment because he's only been here a month or two, but he's obviously not ready for the SEC.
So, while other programs bring 'em year to year here we are with no options. I just hope JPW comes back strong next week. We absolutely can NOT go into Arkansas with him being iffy and inconsistent. He has to NOT let this past Saturday affect his mental state. WE can't afford it. We can't afford one of his "funks".
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To follow with out question is for religion not football!
Thats a ridiculous statement.
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| I am a JPW fan. I just wish he would be more consistent. McElroy will never get any better with out any game time experience either. Just put him in for couple of plays to settle JPW down and to also show him he can be replaced and it might do wonders for his attitude towards each game.
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Pulling your starting quarterback during a game is like replacing the engine in the middle of a NASCAR race. It should be avoided if at all possible. I felt like we should run the ball more and keep changing running backs like we did against Clemson. But I also understand that having a injured O line makes it hard to come up with a good plan. I would rather have a good O line and a mediocre QB than I have a super star QB and no blocking. Fact is, the offensive line is the most important part of the offense and the most overlooked.
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